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  • Опубликовано: 1 янв 2024
  • Far-right parties have been gaining ground in many western countries, including France. Marine Le Pen has steadily expanded her party's voter support base with appeals to defend what she calls "French national identity". But in a country with a long history of colonization and immigration, what does 'identity' actually mean? DW's Lisa Louis reports from Paris.
    For more on this, we talk to Thibaut Madelin. He is a journalist for the French newspaper Les Échos.
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  • @melvynslote457
    @melvynslote457 6 месяцев назад +238

    A country with centuries of their own culture should not have the need to discuss French identity because of the impaxt of immigration. It is just madness to try and balance the books because the country once had an empire.

    • @hovhannesmkhitaryan172
      @hovhannesmkhitaryan172 6 месяцев назад +33

      thats not madness. That country has changed. Catholicism or any form of Christianity plays a 0 role in the soceity. Traditional values are not there anymore. Gender roles have massivelly changed. Societal institutions that used to be the building blocks of the society have crumbled. Lets imagine all immigrants arriving to France in the last 20 years are gone, this still does not answer the question of what is France, what it means to be French. The problem is deeper. Immigration crisis just makes it worse, and exposes the moral vacuum we all live in

    • @karimd.2176
      @karimd.2176 6 месяцев назад +18

      When being french is tied to a ethnic background more than being a national of the country and you have accepted so many immigrants, then you have a problem. Those immigrants will have son and grandsons and they will also feel not french. In peace thats not so much an issue in war times, you have a very big problem. Why do you think the french put so much work in uniffying the language, to the point only french is spoken in france?

    • @ozahmed4523
      @ozahmed4523 6 месяцев назад +1

      Problem is that rich old Frenchmen live in their childhood.

    • @corywalker9498
      @corywalker9498 6 месяцев назад

      France will never make sense. Consequences of the there own choices

    • @Oceansta
      @Oceansta 6 месяцев назад

      "Once" ? Dude, google how many overseas territores France still holds. You imperialists love to shift the goalpost as it suits you

  • @brandX15
    @brandX15 6 месяцев назад +187

    Far right far right far right...There is no far left. And then she says 70 % of the French supports the new law. So 70% of French people are far right ???. Do you think that maybe she and DW is a tiny bit biases ? LOL The madness of it all, and it is so plain to see.

    • @buildmotosykletist1987
      @buildmotosykletist1987 6 месяцев назад +19

      It's so good to see so many calling out DW for their Alt-Left perspective.

    • @jordisaura6748
      @jordisaura6748 6 месяцев назад

      Anything that does not support thd interests of Vladimir Putin is the left. Your very existance included

    • @gerardkiff2026
      @gerardkiff2026 6 месяцев назад +6

      IKR? I love watching elites grasping at straws. Plus you’re going to get a theater group to tell your agenda ? Lol

    • @karlisstigis
      @karlisstigis 6 месяцев назад +1

      100%

    • @jonesey65244
      @jonesey65244 6 месяцев назад +2

      I scrolled down here to make this very comment. You beat me to it. Never hear of just plain right, noooo, gotta be FAR right. Keep breathin'.

  • @segurosincero4057
    @segurosincero4057 6 месяцев назад +191

    Have you noticed that everything that is right of center is called “far right“?

    • @ethimself5064
      @ethimself5064 6 месяцев назад +11

      There is also the Far Left

    • @segurosincero4057
      @segurosincero4057 6 месяцев назад +5

      @@ethimself5064 What happened to the center? Is it a lost cause?

    • @freedombro6502
      @freedombro6502 6 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@segurosincero4057 moderates of both stripes need to control a certain portion of each party to keep things from going crazy

    • @rajeevd972
      @rajeevd972 6 месяцев назад +5

      in tdys wrld only left of center is democratic and represents the people if u choose right of the center its named far right regime.

    • @buildmotosykletist1987
      @buildmotosykletist1987 6 месяцев назад +4

      @@freedombro6502 : What the Alt-Left DW calls far-right is actually the centre. Look at Le Pen's policies and name one that is not a centrist policy.

  • @walkmanutd19
    @walkmanutd19 6 месяцев назад +187

    If you dont respect French traditions, French culture, French history, French patriots...then you are not French.
    You dont protect French values, you are not French.
    That is so simple. Come to Asia countries to see, how the people love their culture, history, traditions

    • @jesse76th96
      @jesse76th96 6 месяцев назад +11

      French fries

    • @teddydavis2339
      @teddydavis2339 6 месяцев назад +28

      What are French values? I keep hearing about these European values, but I've yet to actually see them. Is racism a value? Is telling people what they can and can't wear a value? Is stealing from poor countries a French value?

    • @derekm424
      @derekm424 6 месяцев назад +7

      Respecting your own cultural heritage is being banned in Europe, I thought you knew.

    • @derekm424
      @derekm424 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@hightide4782 all of it apparently... Sad to say

    • @Harry-mc3gv
      @Harry-mc3gv 6 месяцев назад +8

      ​@@teddydavis2339lol. All the things you describe Asian and African countries do or have done too. Are they their values too?😅

  • @johnshaff
    @johnshaff 6 месяцев назад +211

    So they changed the French identity, without the French people’s approval, than criticize the French people for not being realistic about what they changed. Did I get that right?

    • @SpanishMontagne-uq8bp
      @SpanishMontagne-uq8bp 6 месяцев назад +13

      France voted NO on joining a global European constitution in 2005 but the political leaders bypassed it and now the EU is a global mess and France has to be a part in it even though the population voted against it. Now we have the results, people are fed up.

    • @VasileIuga
      @VasileIuga 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@SpanishMontagne-uq8bp Actually France, Belgium, Sweden, Denmark, UK are in more mess than EU and they( politicians, NGO, media, judges) imposed open borders and cosmopolitanism as an EU identity while the East and South thought they are joining an European League, not Ankara, Alger, Mogadishu and Tehran.
      Actually those who rejected EU in France and UK wanted to focus on their empires and more integration with the colonies.
      France is still more focused on colonies than EU, same for Germany.
      So EU has no guilt there since EU is just a mirror for Western nations.

    • @martin5504
      @martin5504 6 месяцев назад +6

      Sorry, didn't understand what you have written. It did not seem to make much sense.@@VasileIuga

    • @Oceansta
      @Oceansta 6 месяцев назад +7

      So the French occupied others lands and took everything without the local people approval...

    • @SpanishMontagne-uq8bp
      @SpanishMontagne-uq8bp 6 месяцев назад

      So maybe it's time to move on and realize French people today are not responsible for what happened in the past or if we go by your logic Germans today are all nazies.

  • @7QHook
    @7QHook 6 месяцев назад +65

    "Parts of history we have forgotten"
    yes, the Barbary slave trade, the M*slim slavers, needs to be remembered

    • @olafsigursons
      @olafsigursons 6 месяцев назад +1

      How that time an African country goes to war with Britain because they abolished slavery.

    • @geoffoakland
      @geoffoakland 6 месяцев назад +11

      Yeah, maybe it's time certain European countries try to get reparations for The Barbary Slave Trade!

    • @keto0303
      @keto0303 20 дней назад +1

      @@geoffoakland And from the Ottomans too

    • @meh2972
      @meh2972 16 дней назад +1

      It's only because of the Franks in 732 AD that all of Europe didn't become a caliphate.

  • @Fatima-xf8xp
    @Fatima-xf8xp 6 месяцев назад +89

    FRANCE MUST PROTECT ITS NATIONAL IDENTITY ❤

    • @corywalker9498
      @corywalker9498 6 месяцев назад +4

      😂😂lol and what's that

    • @JoseRamirez-vb1sk
      @JoseRamirez-vb1sk 6 месяцев назад +1

      Hmm, a person with the name of Fatima...sounds pretty foreing to me

    • @PhlilipeAlves
      @PhlilipeAlves 6 месяцев назад +2

      ​Someone eating French food. Respecting the laws. Behaving himself like a civilised person. Speak French. Knowing a little about french history and for that is proud of being French.

    • @gtrdxz
      @gtrdxz 6 месяцев назад

      @@corywalker9498 Not you 🤣 get offended somewhere else

    • @marcobagut
      @marcobagut 6 месяцев назад

      What’s the Arabic identity then? Or does the question only apply to French?

  • @jnyfumare
    @jnyfumare 6 месяцев назад +123

    How many times do they say 'FAR RIGHT' its like a drinking game..! Ridiculous.

    • @christopherlees1134
      @christopherlees1134 6 месяцев назад +4

      I made this comment as well. Usually, it seems I'm the only one, but today I'm very happy to see that lots and lots of people made a similar comment. There is an awakening going on. Furthermore, I think we should embrace being far right, wear it as a badge of honor, and not try to prove to the left that we are "not extremists," because it's going to take extremism to correct the state of affairs in France, Europe and America.

    • @buildmotosykletist1987
      @buildmotosykletist1987 6 месяцев назад +5

      I'm glad so many are recognising the the centre is not 'far-right' unless you are Alt-Left like DW.

    • @richardhendrix7620
      @richardhendrix7620 6 месяцев назад

      ​@buildmotosykletist1987 DW isnt alt left, they are full Marxist

    • @bastian9693
      @bastian9693 6 месяцев назад +1

      I’m glad more people have woken up to this nonsense since the election of 2017, even though Le Pen did not win.
      At least there’s a glimpse of hope

    • @bardoomguy
      @bardoomguy 6 месяцев назад

      As you'd expect from the media. The left controls the entire cultural conversation. Everyone plays by the rules they have set up. It's not a coincidence that the right is on the defensive by default in almost every discussion. Framing "right-wing" as a bad thing and then applying that label to everyone they want to destroy. Classic leftist politics.

  • @philipcarson8438
    @philipcarson8438 6 месяцев назад +66

    If you aren’t a WEF stooge, you get the “far right” label.

  • @TopFix
    @TopFix 6 месяцев назад +95

    Go to Japan as a foreigner: "You are Gaijin. You may live, work and raise your family in Japan, but you will never truly be Japanese by nationality."
    *[world accepts this as a preservation of culture]*
    Go to France as a foreigner: "You are not ethnically French. You may live, work and raise your family in France, but you will never truly be French by nationality."
    *[FAR RIGHT FAR RIGHT FAR RIGHT]*

    • @pipoo5576
      @pipoo5576 6 месяцев назад +21

      Difference is, France was always a immigration country in the middle of europe. Also large parts of france were or are outside of the motherland for example Algeria. Japan on the other hand was a isolated until the meiji era and is an island. Don't compare apples with pears.

    • @YABBAHEY1
      @YABBAHEY1 6 месяцев назад +7

      @@pipoo5576 Pears are better.

    • @jw841
      @jw841 6 месяцев назад +9

      This is true by DW and EU standards Japan would be an extreme far right country. There is only 3% foreigners in Japan. Less than half of that has permanent residence and much less have recieved citizenship. I live in Japan and its great. Hope the rest of the world adopts immigration policies like Japan.

    • @blackdragon796
      @blackdragon796 6 месяцев назад +9

      Being far right is not that bad. Not everyone deserves to be French, live in French. Or try to put pressure on the French culture. Foreigners can't force a country to change for them.

    • @ninjaa6952
      @ninjaa6952 6 месяцев назад +9

      ​@@pipoo5576No it wasn't lol for most of frances history it's been nearly 100 percent ethnically French yea they've had some minorities but that's from neighboring european countries. It's only been in the last 60 years this mass immigration has changed all of europe.

  • @martytube821
    @martytube821 6 месяцев назад +124

    Whats wrong with keeping a countries indigenous identity, without it you lose your country to other countries!

    • @johnnybgoode8104
      @johnnybgoode8104 6 месяцев назад

      They shouldn't have tried to colonize so many other countries. Sow it. Reap it. Simple.

    • @julia2k8
      @julia2k8 6 месяцев назад +24

      France didn't respect other countries' indigenous identities so.......

    • @raquetdude
      @raquetdude 6 месяцев назад

      Because France doesn’t respect others national identity and openly prevented one’s from forming by force and killings… and it still hasn’t apologised as the far right parties think doing it was good…

    • @juliusbroedsgaard9124
      @juliusbroedsgaard9124 6 месяцев назад +9

      I do hope you understand the irony of this statement.

    • @neurotraveller
      @neurotraveller 6 месяцев назад +31

      There was never mass immigration of French into their colonies. They were mercantilist colonies of the upper class that the lower class French didn’t have much of anything to do with. How long should their French descendants collectively suffer punishment for the behavior of their upper class corporatist ancestors?

  • @rajfc
    @rajfc 6 месяцев назад +9

    It’s funny how national identity and immigration issues always seem to go with appeasement of Vladimir Putin

  • @yosho1502
    @yosho1502 6 месяцев назад +33

    If the majority people of France are not happy with the current situation, “Inclusive “ and “Diversity “ or even “National Identity “ doesn’t matter. They are not feeling the safety and the fairness, why don’t you to try to change?

  • @MW-eg4gu
    @MW-eg4gu 6 месяцев назад +66

    So we have come to the point we have to debate what "identity" means?

    • @jrbailey3208
      @jrbailey3208 6 месяцев назад

      That's part of the Woke Religious Fanatics tactics: undermine the traditional definitions of ALL words, twist them, turn them, so that ANY word will mean WHATEVER the Woke Fanatics need it to mean.
      The West is doomed, and it is doomed by its own decisions.
      Cheers from the Oil Patch in Central WY, USA

    • @derekm424
      @derekm424 6 месяцев назад +8

      It's all down hill from here

    • @jrbailey3208
      @jrbailey3208 6 месяцев назад +5

      @@derekm424
      And we continue to 'pick up speed' everyday.

    • @k.s.mountakis170
      @k.s.mountakis170 6 месяцев назад +2

      Unless of course we're talking about gender identity - then it's probably illegal to even talk about it.

    • @janari64
      @janari64 6 месяцев назад +1

      All definitions are learned.

  • @jewishboi3384
    @jewishboi3384 6 месяцев назад +9

    I love how DW can just switch up on so many views. Just like Germany apparently.

  • @blacklisted4885
    @blacklisted4885 6 месяцев назад +9

    What debate. French are French. Everybody knows what ghat means

  • @andresbritez9
    @andresbritez9 6 месяцев назад +42

    I have always enjoyed DW videos, documentaries, interviews, news report and so on, for being objectives, neutrals. However, in this one, DW is taking one side.

    • @Flavor_Flav
      @Flavor_Flav 6 месяцев назад +4

      DW is always taking a side. The left side.

    • @daniellowry660
      @daniellowry660 6 месяцев назад +1

      Not their fault when the far right party refuses to participate. Can't give a side that refuses to publicly defend itself

    • @Flavor_Flav
      @Flavor_Flav 6 месяцев назад

      @@daniellowry660 Far-right refuses to participate in far-left agendas? Why would they? There is a reason why we have opposition parties in so called democratic countries.

    • @daniellowry660
      @daniellowry660 6 месяцев назад +2

      @Flavor_Flav if you think DW is far left then I have some swamp land in land caster to sell ya

    • @blitzr2300
      @blitzr2300 6 месяцев назад

      Depends who made the report or documentary, some are impartial and others not.

  • @7QHook
    @7QHook 6 месяцев назад +29

    bottom line - the French have had it with isl*m, and no double talk from any m*slim artist will fool them into relenting.

  • @josezerpa8177
    @josezerpa8177 6 месяцев назад +68

    Leftist media : gender identity is a thing!
    Leftist media: what does national identity actually mean?
    🤡🤡🤡

    • @Alsayid
      @Alsayid 6 месяцев назад +3

      Bingo!

    • @benzo___
      @benzo___ 6 месяцев назад +3

      gender identity is based in empiric evidence within human society, it is part of socioeconomics, the studies of society if you will
      nationalism or national identity is not based on empiric evidence, it is a modern concept made up by humans
      nationalism originated in the age of enlightenment, its purpose was to unify people to follow an abstract greater good
      the greater good being a sovereign state with the ultimate goal being economic development and wealth
      we do not live in the industrial revolution though, we live in post-industrial societies
      nationalism should be assessed critically, it is not fit for the challenges that lay ahead
      simply put because our modern prolems are intercontinental, international or even extra terrestrial

    • @stevenhenry5267
      @stevenhenry5267 6 месяцев назад +2

      Typical anti intellectual right wing response.

    • @eedragonr
      @eedragonr 6 месяцев назад

      ​@@benzo___We still have a national progress in the conquest of the Universe. Shall we look again how modern progressive China and India are solving such insignificant problems?

  • @user-wp6vx6pi3o
    @user-wp6vx6pi3o 6 месяцев назад +15

    Europe must save it’s identity! Greetings from Central Asia❤

    • @shanetobin886
      @shanetobin886 6 месяцев назад +4

      Also, deal with their colonial and neo colonial legacies! You can't have your cake and eat it!!

    • @eedragonr
      @eedragonr 6 месяцев назад

      No problem with the Russian identity

  • @jeremygibbs7342
    @jeremygibbs7342 6 месяцев назад +39

    I think they touched on the main issue at the end. Economics. It is much easier to be tolerant of other people when you also have an income and hope for a better job. When those jobs are "taken" from you, it can very much create a "us vs them" mentality.
    This is my theory to Frances growing anti immigration.

    • @NeverRubARhubarb
      @NeverRubARhubarb 6 месяцев назад +3

      What evidence do you have to support the theory about jobs being taken away?

    • @jw841
      @jw841 6 месяцев назад

      Its also easy to be tolerant of other people if your a super majority in your own country and the other people are not threatening you identity and way of life. Humans are fundamentally tribal and territorial creatures. This will never change.

    • @jeremygibbs7342
      @jeremygibbs7342 6 месяцев назад +2

      @@NeverRubARhubarb Oh, zero. But when people start having less money and start seeing identifiable minorities with more, they can often become jealous

  • @alexanderhowarth6460
    @alexanderhowarth6460 6 месяцев назад +4

    If you didn't want nationalism you shouldn't have made people second class citizens in the country of their forefathers

  • @ravenclaw783
    @ravenclaw783 6 месяцев назад +3

    The first thing that comes to mind when I think of France is Versailles, Champaign, Marie Antionette, Blue Shingles, perfume, rouge, and pastries.

  • @pipebearbound
    @pipebearbound 6 месяцев назад +42

    In the defense of the French right, France's commitment to its former colonies ended when they became independent so France has no obligation to allow immigration from its former colonies

    • @netero1682
      @netero1682 6 месяцев назад

      France still maintains its Colonies and influence in Africa, they cannot believe that they can invade others, maintain pressure and that there can be no consequences.

    • @kushsakhu
      @kushsakhu 6 месяцев назад +9

      You clearly don’t know what your corporations and governments do in other countries, namely Africa and Asia to provide you with the luxury lifestyle that you have in Europe. Everything has consequences it’s called being an adult.

    • @PhlilipeAlves
      @PhlilipeAlves 6 месяцев назад +8

      ​@@kushsakhu Europe has money, so our supposed luxury lifestyle is paid by us. The Asian, but African the most complain about everything. They are the most richest continents in the world. Europe has quite nothing but it's the one where everyone wants to live. Strange, why is that?

    • @camm8642
      @camm8642 6 месяцев назад +1

      it also a matter of blaming others then taking reponsibility for what your own actions which many africans have a hard time doing its interesting parts of asia was colonized as well but the mindset and mentality is very different@@kushsakhu

  • @kevincotta2013
    @kevincotta2013 6 месяцев назад +32

    People all around the world are rejecting globalism.

    • @christopherlees1134
      @christopherlees1134 6 месяцев назад

      But they don't know (((WHO))) is causing it.

    • @buildmotosykletist1987
      @buildmotosykletist1987 6 месяцев назад

      Yes, thankfully the world is waking up to how destructive globalism is. They are regaining their identity back from global socialism.

    • @AI-xs4fp
      @AI-xs4fp 6 месяцев назад

      That has led to world wars. That is possibly what you desire too?

    • @corywalker9498
      @corywalker9498 6 месяцев назад +2

      The same people that push it and let it happen. And contribute to it. 😅😂 so ironic... consequences of your choices live with it

    • @philipkoene5345
      @philipkoene5345 5 месяцев назад

      But still want the cheapest products from all over the globe.

  • @jordih468
    @jordih468 6 месяцев назад +5

    CONGRATULATIONS TO MARIE LA PEN.. SHE Works for the best for french people.

  • @DarylSaunders737
    @DarylSaunders737 6 месяцев назад +5

    No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other.
    Mathew 6;24

    • @neilirvine7129
      @neilirvine7129 6 месяцев назад +2

      Many people have two parents

    • @DarylSaunders737
      @DarylSaunders737 6 месяцев назад

      @@neilirvine7129 Blood is unconditional love. 🤔☺

  • @evolassunglasses4673
    @evolassunglasses4673 6 месяцев назад +10

    We have moved beyond the old Left v Right paradigm.

  • @wmtrader
    @wmtrader 6 месяцев назад +148

    DW News refers to anyone on the Right as being Far-Right.
    But, DW News never refers to anyone on the Left as being Far-Left.

    • @gdf_6c
      @gdf_6c 6 месяцев назад +31

      That's because while far left parties do exist, none of them have any political relevance currently.
      Le Pen *is* far right, though.

    • @TheBlackB0X
      @TheBlackB0X 6 месяцев назад

      ​@@gdf_6cNot true whatsoever, the radicals have radicalized language to confuse to simple minded.

    • @cockneycharm3970
      @cockneycharm3970 6 месяцев назад +14

      Exactly. I've noticed this. Hence why I take their news reports with a pinch of salt 😅

    • @yvesl.1125
      @yvesl.1125 6 месяцев назад

      It seems far left could be communists for most western countries.

    • @Eusantdac
      @Eusantdac 6 месяцев назад +12

      Le Pen is far-right and it's relevant for people to know this.

  • @johnroesch2159
    @johnroesch2159 6 месяцев назад +4

    French identify is based on history, race, ethnicity, culture, and religion. The same is true of the Germans and other Europeans.

  • @user-ry2qs7xf9k
    @user-ry2qs7xf9k 6 месяцев назад +2

    Discussing this subject in the parliament shows clearly that French elites are becoming less educated.

  • @frcluc
    @frcluc 6 месяцев назад +2

    The director should go live in Algeria then.

  • @skitcompany
    @skitcompany 6 месяцев назад +1

    Isn the definition of nationality in the France's constituition? So what update we're talking about?

  • @mathieug6136
    @mathieug6136 6 месяцев назад +45

    It's as easy to recognize a French as it is to recognize a Japanese. Not all French citizens are French in the identity sense, some are simply foreigners living in France. A strong national identity will be crucial to maintain stability.

    • @eedragonr
      @eedragonr 6 месяцев назад

      France like many others kept "turning the other cheek" and generously taking in enemies who didn't change their attitudes. Is the post colonial culture progressive according to the French structure or historical conservative supporting the radicalism?

    • @avtar1699
      @avtar1699 6 месяцев назад +1

      Ethno nationalism stopped in the 20th century. Japan is changing.

    • @mathieug6136
      @mathieug6136 6 месяцев назад +2

      @@avtar1699 it's overdue for a comeback

    • @asmirann3636
      @asmirann3636 6 месяцев назад

      ​@mathieug6136 Europe will see a resurgence of ethno nationalism. Followed by mass deportations.

  • @regolith1350
    @regolith1350 6 месяцев назад +51

    Vizzini: "Far right, far right, far right..."
    Ingio Montoya: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

    • @tonywilson4713
      @tonywilson4713 6 месяцев назад

      According to the Simpson's the French identity is _"Cheese eating surrender monkeys"_

    • @bidzej86
      @bidzej86 6 месяцев назад +6

      Exacty! According to media nowadays, there is only 2 options: democratic "we" and fascist "far right", nothing in between. Polarization at its best. And then "we" wonder about losing ground.

    • @tonywilson4713
      @tonywilson4713 6 месяцев назад +3

      @@bidzej86 Prof. Mark Blyth (Brown U.) had a great comment specifically about Fox Media and the Murdoch family but I think it now applies across the board to some extent.
      Of the Fox he said "Their product is rage!" as in what they are selling to their audience is commentary to be enraged over. look at what their commentary is about and importantly how its delivered. Everything is about being outraged at what the other side does or says.

    • @raquetdude
      @raquetdude 6 месяцев назад +3

      @@tonywilson4713 Mark Blyth would agree though that the policy and the political party are far right… the dude is Scottish and is a defender of the welfare state (people who say Frances conservatives ain’t far right think welfare state is far left (it’s just centre left)) so not sure why you’d suggest that this news channel is as bad as Fox / News Corp.

    • @anacc3257
      @anacc3257 6 месяцев назад +1

      Those who reject the label all the time don't know what it means either. It's the same discussion every time😴

  • @romainlanneau115
    @romainlanneau115 6 месяцев назад +1

    Common ground on French identity : baguette. I rest my case.

  • @godzilla981ify
    @godzilla981ify 6 месяцев назад +8

    French nationalism has already disregarded occitans and Bretons, France has never been a culturally homogeneous region, that's what nationalist narratives always make to legitimate the nation state

    • @chrisa5631
      @chrisa5631 3 месяца назад

      I hate to say it but you are right. Ethnic minorities in France were persecuted, so that the new French state could exist. A new French state where African and Arab identity is also French identity now.
      They are now waking up to the mistakes of the past.

  • @jadergn
    @jadergn 6 месяцев назад +8

    The original France border does not includes the territories they control overseas. So he means that France has to leave those places?
    And if France had not occupied those territories, their people had never gonne to France as french citizens. So whos is in fault here?

  • @veloboy1
    @veloboy1 6 месяцев назад +1

    Soo many of the 1/3rd population doesn't have general France beliefs.

  • @JoseRamirez-vb1sk
    @JoseRamirez-vb1sk 6 месяцев назад

    Baguettes, existentialist thought and mimes. That's france😂

  • @paladinsorcerer67
    @paladinsorcerer67 6 месяцев назад +2

    I dont see anything wrong with celebrating your personal racial heritage, until that becomes discriminating against others due to their race. Merit should be the basis for inclusion into a major Western country. No one can control in which country they are born. And some people are fleeing their native country due to genocides or wars. As adult moral people, cant we agree to find a way to help those people, including immigration or resettling elsewhere when needed? In America, nearly every citizen has immigrants as a part of their heritage going back sometimes hundreds of years. In Europe, modern wars have caused immigration, but going far enough back in history it is plain to see that everyone had immigration in their past heritage, even if its going back thousands of years. There is no master race, there is only races as we know them right now. Cultures and races shift in time. Germany and France in medieval times were very different and more fragmented than it is today. I understand that you want to celebrate your personal heritage. I dont see where the hatred comes from when the far right talks about race. In America we have big problems with race, and the hatred here comes from ignorance and lack of empathy. Maybe that is the burden that you all bear as well.

  • @keihndeth
    @keihndeth 6 месяцев назад +16

    far right far right far right
    Keep saying it. If you say it enough times it will certainly manifest.
    The first way to delegitimize yourself is to call something far right without outlining precisely what you mean and trying to parallel dissenting views to historically evil regimes.
    Note, far left is a term that is never used.

    • @buildmotosykletist1987
      @buildmotosykletist1987 6 месяцев назад +1

      Well said. DW is Alt-Left so anything right of Left is 'far-right' from the 'Alt-Left'.

    • @eedragonr
      @eedragonr 6 месяцев назад

      Like the far left has done it better

  • @Oceansta
    @Oceansta 6 месяцев назад +7

    They reason why they can't (won't) define what "French identity" is because most people here who talk about "French identity" actually mean to say : WHITE identity.

  • @mjh5437
    @mjh5437 5 месяцев назад

    Too little,too late........This is known as "Closing the stable door when the horse has already bolted"!!

  • @jordisaura6748
    @jordisaura6748 6 месяцев назад

    Something feels wrong to me. Very wrong. And apparently everyone supposes they will be on the winning side

  • @patrickjeffers7864
    @patrickjeffers7864 6 месяцев назад +1

    France once declared algeria to be french..dumb policies like that was bound to backfire

    • @eedragonr
      @eedragonr 6 месяцев назад

      Well once the British declared the States to be British

  • @renatoovelar7442
    @renatoovelar7442 6 месяцев назад +15

    I mean, they do have to integrate and feel french. If french identity is too exclusive, it may worsen the problem and create more separate societies.

    • @ileanaacacostaacosta1813
      @ileanaacacostaacosta1813 6 месяцев назад +2

      It has to be exclusive It's THEiR REAL identity and culture and if they don't like it then they need to go

  • @noras.9774
    @noras.9774 6 месяцев назад +1

    Identity in the own country! It’s difficult in this days!

  • @gtrdxz
    @gtrdxz 6 месяцев назад +1

    0:24 bahaha, their ancestors watching this cringe show 🤣

  • @burprobrox9134
    @burprobrox9134 6 месяцев назад +29

    The people are shaping the debate, the “right” or “left” are merely representing them. Perhaps many don’t like that fact, but many do

    • @benzo___
      @benzo___ 6 месяцев назад

      pretty naive way to think when it is pretty obvious which political side is backed by corporate capital
      that's the political right, both economically as well as socially speaking
      billionaires and big corporations are not intersted in fair taxation, increasing minimum wages, social welfare
      redistribution of wealth from the rich to the needy, climate justice and many other things
      so what do they do? correct: they use their capital advantage and therefore advantage of power
      to build huge media networks that can then shift the public view on politics
      either through one sided reports, bias in articles or flat out misinformation
      examples:
      Rupert Murdoch's Fox News in the US
      Friede Springer's Axel Springer SE in Germany
      Hubert Burda's Hubert Burda Media Group in Germany
      and many more

  • @Agoateeman
    @Agoateeman 6 месяцев назад +14

    Thank you Mr. T. Madelin for your careful and considerate explanation of some of the current political situations in France.

    • @buildmotosykletist1987
      @buildmotosykletist1987 6 месяцев назад

      DW is an Alt-Left news channel. Le Pen is a Centre-Right Conservative and represents the workers of France and not the bureaucratic elites that DW represents.

  • @littlebrayutd
    @littlebrayutd 6 месяцев назад +5

    Good

  • @allthingsgardencad9726
    @allthingsgardencad9726 6 месяцев назад +1

    Ironic how all those that where colonised despise there colonisers, England France Germany... , yet all want to move the colonisers country.. 🙄

  • @marshalllapenta7656
    @marshalllapenta7656 6 месяцев назад +2

    Secular
    That's the key word in this video
    Some people might not like that....

  • @alangivre2474
    @alangivre2474 6 месяцев назад +1

    The problem is, french center-left is not living in reality either. You cannot coerce identity top-down.

  • @robertschriek1353
    @robertschriek1353 6 месяцев назад +2

    It is nationalism with economics that are far to the left.

  • @koja4458
    @koja4458 6 месяцев назад +2

    No french party is promoting racial or ethnicity preference, not even in the far right.
    They are promoting cultural preference, which is not dependent on one’s ethnicity.
    You are a german news channel, and so you promote the hate of anti-immigration party because your country has chosen for many years now economy upon culture.
    More and more occidental countries are willing to restrict and control more immigration (Italy, Danemark, Sweden, USA, …) and there is a reason for this.
    Please try to do real journalism and study why this is the case instead of simply contradicting those thinking differently than a country that soon will be no more than a Turkish province.

  • @paololuckyluke2854
    @paololuckyluke2854 6 месяцев назад +8

    It’s very easy to determine identity. Choose some time predating mass immigration, such as WW2. If someone has any French ancestors before that time, then they have French blood.

    • @PresidentFlip
      @PresidentFlip 6 месяцев назад +7

      So that includes Algerians who were considered part of France proper back then. Oops there goes your argument

    • @joaov.m.oliveira9903
      @joaov.m.oliveira9903 6 месяцев назад

      Wow. You just solved everything. 😅

    • @nicolasylb9474
      @nicolasylb9474 6 месяцев назад

      ​@@PresidentFlipCQFD

    • @paololuckyluke2854
      @paololuckyluke2854 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@PresidentFlip Being a French subject does not make you French.

    • @Terraider
      @Terraider 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@paololuckyluke2854 it LITERALLY DID they weren’t independent and were considered under the French rule

  • @Mikethemerciless11
    @Mikethemerciless11 6 месяцев назад +8

    This is why we need a king. France is for the French.

  • @mikexhotmail
    @mikexhotmail 6 месяцев назад +5

    When is the last time we hear about FarLeft ?

  • @woonkk6059
    @woonkk6059 6 месяцев назад +7

    LoL. Now it is far right when they didn't go along with their collapsing narrative. Name calling Far Right..😂😂😂😂

    • @buildmotosykletist1987
      @buildmotosykletist1987 6 месяцев назад

      From DW's Alt-Left perspective, everyone not Alt-Left is 'far-right' even centrist's like Le Pen.

  • @josephinethomas6450
    @josephinethomas6450 6 месяцев назад +18

    Why do you say FAR RIGHT . ?Why not just plain RIGHT .

    • @raquetdude
      @raquetdude 6 месяцев назад

      Excluding a third of the population cause they are of foreign heritage (including Belgium/Swiss) is incredibly far right? Like how is that a centrist policy?

    • @buildmotosykletist1987
      @buildmotosykletist1987 6 месяцев назад

      @raquetdude : Look at Le Pen's policies, they are very centrist policies.

    • @peacefulmountain2
      @peacefulmountain2 6 месяцев назад +1

      sis you know who they're actually excluding and it's not other europeans 🤣@@raquetdude

  • @lancecahill5486
    @lancecahill5486 6 месяцев назад +12

    When in Rome, do as the Romans do. If you can’t handle that, stay home.

  • @placeswelive5388
    @placeswelive5388 6 месяцев назад

    But this isn't a new country. It's been around since the Pippinids. And it is hard to tell who is culturally French (citizenship is a completely separate issue)?

  • @EuroScannisSchlager
    @EuroScannisSchlager 6 месяцев назад +1

    I want Marine Le Pen to become the next president of France, so she could kick the butt of Olaf Scholz.

  • @diegomunoz6190
    @diegomunoz6190 6 месяцев назад +2

    Everything is far right to you far left

  • @TheHollandHS
    @TheHollandHS 2 месяца назад

    French historical ethnicity always had been diverse , franks , gauls, Romans, Iberians, france has latin culture celtic culute and germanic culture mashed up in way no other nation could be this unique

  • @windsong3wong828
    @windsong3wong828 6 месяцев назад +1

    EU economy is not doing well.
    When there are less to share ……naturally ,the countries are not that open to immigrants.
    EU economy is in big trouble ….without cheap Russian oil and gas …..no Russian trade …..more defence spending……

  • @rboddington
    @rboddington 6 месяцев назад

    LOL. I visited the Eiffel Tower a few years ago. African men have scared off every single one of the local white French souvenir vendors, and try to intimidate tourists into buying from them. France just sits back and lets this happen.

    • @Anthonythumb
      @Anthonythumb 6 месяцев назад

      Same here I’ve been many times. During Covid it was really bad. But last year I was in paris again and it was much better. I suspect because the upcoming Olympics they’re doing a big clean up 🧼

  • @gamerjoseph43
    @gamerjoseph43 6 месяцев назад

    The west have finished all CIV games so now they are modding to see how long before it crashes.

  • @mr.gigagod9736
    @mr.gigagod9736 2 месяца назад

    Bro thought she was napoleon 💀💀💀💀

  • @Berlin-Kladow
    @Berlin-Kladow 6 месяцев назад +60

    If most of the population voted for a certain candidate, it’s not extreme or far anything . It’s the middle

    • @benzo___
      @benzo___ 6 месяцев назад +9

      that's not how it works lol

    • @TheBlackB0X
      @TheBlackB0X 6 месяцев назад +7

      @@benzo___ It's how it works. We all know you can't actually explain yourself.

    • @tbomb2265
      @tbomb2265 6 месяцев назад +6

      It just means most of the population have moved rightward. A right wings politicians don't suddenly become centrist because they're supported by a majority. Kind of a crazy assertion

    • @mikexhotmail
      @mikexhotmail 6 месяцев назад

      Can far-right identifying themself as liberal? @@tbomb2265

    • @XKS99
      @XKS99 6 месяцев назад +4

      @@tbomb2265 by definition the majority is in the center.

  • @robertdominicanrepublic
    @robertdominicanrepublic 6 месяцев назад

    Call it "far right" call it "Susan" if it helps you sleep at night. The Left is worried... and for good reason. Change is in the wind.

  • @magnvss
    @magnvss 6 месяцев назад +34

    Nationality is like marriage: if you say that you love more than one wife and that is perfectly normal, you whether don’t love neither of them, or you cheat the others with the one you are really in love with. Real love is not shared or is something else.
    If your country is a merchandise of convenience (it suits you well when it gives you thing, you despise and decry it when it doesn’t) then you don’t deserve it but the people who is willing to give their lives for the land (as many millions have done on so many countries’ histories).

    Millions have come to European countries looking for “the things”, not for the love of Europe’s culture an identity. And this is translated on so many problems everywhere.

    • @neilirvine7129
      @neilirvine7129 6 месяцев назад +6

      Lots of people have two parents.... and you don't pick your parents.

    • @joaov.m.oliveira9903
      @joaov.m.oliveira9903 6 месяцев назад +4

      ​@@neilirvine7129exactly. This guy has no clue of what he's speaking about. One could hold dual heritages, even if one has only one citizenship or one single political affiliation. Actually, this is how the world always works. People who hate mixed heritage and dual citizenships are simply jealous 😅.

  • @YABBAHEY1
    @YABBAHEY1 6 месяцев назад

    Thought the French had a firm grasp on they're identity. Advertise for then have utter contempt for tourists.
    Not it anymore ?

  • @JoseLuis-rj9kq
    @JoseLuis-rj9kq 6 месяцев назад

    "Original France". Come on, be serious.

  • @michaelbikking
    @michaelbikking 6 месяцев назад

    this isn't biased at all is everyting right of centre far right

  • @TheHollandHS
    @TheHollandHS 2 месяца назад

    Cmon guys
    Front National is classical far right party and existed very long.
    Its not farage or milei.

  • @AndreasKurz
    @AndreasKurz 6 месяцев назад +1

    We have to excuse for the long forgotten past? Well... count me in. I want an apology to germany for everything that happened during the 30 year war 1618-48... no? Or that serbia actually started the first world war by killing the austrian crown prince. No again... damn. Then maybe when spain was conquered by the ottman empire and what happened during this occupation. No again? Damn... thats one sided...

  • @tudormiller887
    @tudormiller887 6 месяцев назад

    But the French don't do multiculturalism like we do here in the UK. It's unlikely they'll vote for a Hindu South Asian/East African President.

  • @dweb
    @dweb 6 месяцев назад +3

    How does that law work for individuals born and raised in France with immigrant parents or grand-parents?
    The passed French immigration bill includes the new so-called national preference.
    French citizens have more rights than foreign citizens or citizens with foreign origins.

  • @eddavis1832
    @eddavis1832 6 месяцев назад +49

    Why are conservative or traditional views always referred to as “Far Right?”

    • @nicolasscasso1102
      @nicolasscasso1102 6 месяцев назад +11

      Because they have a fascist point of view...

    • @julia2k8
      @julia2k8 6 месяцев назад +8

      Because they ARE far right, duh

    • @JohnSmith-ux3tt
      @JohnSmith-ux3tt 6 месяцев назад

      It's a way for the far left to demonise their political opponents and wrong-thinkers. Personally, I don't see low taxes, small government and individual freedom as being a bad thing.

    • @julia2k8
      @julia2k8 6 месяцев назад

      No place for conservative or "traditional" values in the modern world. The world is moving forwards, and multiculturalism, multiracialism & diversity are the future and you MUST accept that

    • @raquetdude
      @raquetdude 6 месяцев назад +3

      Because this ain’t “traditional”

  • @cockneycharm3970
    @cockneycharm3970 6 месяцев назад +35

    So you call people who love their country, far right?! That is NOT good!

    • @raquetdude
      @raquetdude 6 месяцев назад +3

      How is excluding a third of the population cause they are foreign born loving your country?
      Why isn’t far left loving your country if you can argue that it’s not far right to exclude the people whom the state relied on for generations yet treated their national identities with bullets and repression.

    • @cockneycharm3970
      @cockneycharm3970 6 месяцев назад

      ​@@raquetdudeBecause all the far Left seems to want to sell their country out

    • @buildmotosykletist1987
      @buildmotosykletist1987 6 месяцев назад

      @raquetdude : From the 'Alt-Left' perspective of DW, everything is 'far-right'.

    • @AI-xs4fp
      @AI-xs4fp 6 месяцев назад +3

      Don't be so obtuse, people can love their country without resorting to fascism.

  • @gammamaster1894
    @gammamaster1894 6 месяцев назад

    All this talk about needing to redefine French identity, who is it that gets to do the redefining??

  • @House_Of_Cards_
    @House_Of_Cards_ 2 месяца назад

    Why they even have this discussion in the first place? The French are an indigenous ethnic group of Europe. I do not see any benefit of this migration. It just complicate things for no reason.

  • @eedragonr
    @eedragonr 6 месяцев назад

    Long live the Fight Club

  • @MediaFXNoosa
    @MediaFXNoosa 5 месяцев назад

    Destruction of a Nation

  • @rafalgan-ganowicz
    @rafalgan-ganowicz 3 месяца назад

    Anyone to the right of Lenin is far-right to DW

  • @ayferkagitci
    @ayferkagitci 6 месяцев назад

    Sorry for turkish
    Movie story
    Hikaye:
    İsraf terbiye eğitimi:
    Ülkede, kadının olduğu şehirde de, reklam levhaları oluştu "elitlerden israf, terbiye eğitimi".
    Konu kadını eğitimle otuz yıldır süren konuydu. Yüksek öğrenimdeyken, arkadaş sandığı öğrencilerden kadına söyleyetek başlamıştı. Yıllar içinde siyasetin konusu gösterilen konu hiç değişmemişti. Partilerin ortak paydasıydı "kadın gibileri israf, terbiye eğitimi". Muhalefet kadının hayatından parasından en büyük payı alıyordu. "Pastadan hakkımızı payımızı aldık" diyorlardı. Kadın müzik dinledi, hisseti dans mı etti, ya da sadece gülümsedi ağladı duygulandı mı..... Akisletonlu dayaklı "isaf terbiye eğitimi". Kadın yemek yaptı yedi paylaştı mı... Akisletonlu uyuşturuculu dayaklu "israf terbiye eğitimi".... Kadının hayatta neyi varsa, insan olarak parça parça lime lime saldırdılar. "Kör et, gözü benim. Ağzını burnunu kır, benim sübyanımın. Nafakamızın hakkı. Biz boşuna mı.... Yemeğinin yaptığı ne varsa herşeyinin formülünü al. Benim hakkım. Şu da senin olsun hah haaaaah. Ay cınııııım. Anası mı bu? Azarla aşağıla. Hah haaaaah bak kadına nasl ağladı, bas uyuşturucuyu dayağı. Ağlayan hastadır....... Iıııh hijyenik değil. Benim sübyanımın yemek şirketinin hakkı. Biz zaten yapıyoruz. Tam otuzbeş yıldır, biz zaten yapıyoruz. Artık daha iyi daha güzel yapıyoruz. Ne ödemesi ne borcuymuş? O keeendi borçlarına vaksın. Alacaz evini de. Evi gitti vesayeti gitti hah haaaaah". (Ağız burun filan nasıl olsa güzellik merkezleri ortakpaydalarıydı. "Yemek şirketleri kooperatifler" dedikleri, kadının verdiği sosyal projelere dahildi).
    Aileden, insandan, hayattan hiçbirşey bilmeyen, öğrenme amaçları da öğrendiklerinden yoketmek olan milyon kişilerin "elit kültür" dediklerinin parçasıydı "elitten israf terbiye eğitimi". Partiler arası problem yoktu, ortak payda bunlardı. Ortak kazançtı.

  • @VH-eq2ci
    @VH-eq2ci 6 месяцев назад

    Also at 2:43 what is this? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 This is one big THANK YOU to the gullible winners from the ultra mega hyper evil man.

  • @sbailey977
    @sbailey977 6 месяцев назад +3

    The far right is where the centre right will go after having thier concerns ignored for so long.

  • @skitcompany
    @skitcompany 6 месяцев назад

    So, definetely instead of being neutral and making journalism DW is siding with moderates to debate how to tackle "far-right" rise? So, Whats DW now? a branch of a moderate french media in Germany?

  • @thebanished87
    @thebanished87 6 месяцев назад

    French identify is no Ay-Rabs and no melaneted ppl

  • @classicrocker889
    @classicrocker889 6 месяцев назад +3

    Sounds like.a Long Conversation Coming for French Identity.

  • @lorrainebottreau8791
    @lorrainebottreau8791 6 месяцев назад +1

    French National identity. Yes. Marine Le Pen. President

  • @SithStudy
    @SithStudy 2 месяца назад

    Do native French people even exist anymore?!?

  • @ZEVS0101
    @ZEVS0101 4 месяца назад

    JUST SEE THE "FRENCH" NATIONAL TEAM AND YOU WILL UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON.
    I AM NOT A FRENCH,BUT DAMN,HURT ME TO SEE WHAT HAPPENED TO FRANCE AND TO THE OTHER EUROPEAN COUNTRIES.
    WE MUST WAKE UP,IN OTHERWISE WILL BE TO LATE.
    MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN.

  • @davidguthrie4724
    @davidguthrie4724 6 месяцев назад

    true

  • @milesobrien2694
    @milesobrien2694 6 месяцев назад +24

    Since when is patriotism a "far right" ideology?

    • @electron6825
      @electron6825 6 месяцев назад +1

      Since it was co-opted? As with many such things...

    • @evolassunglasses4673
      @evolassunglasses4673 6 месяцев назад

      ​@@electron6825 your brainwashed inside the post 1945 Liberal paradigm.

  • @user-qc7nb2qf9d
    @user-qc7nb2qf9d 5 месяцев назад

    Migration HAVE DILUTED the French Identity..??